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kilgoreforelle
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« Thread Started on Feb 4, 2008, 8:36pm » | |
On c-span this morning they were having a townhall.com guest, and they ran a new mccain tv ad to ask her how cons would respond to it. Although she was pushing mittrom, she said the mccain ad was very good regarding conservatism, but one phrase really, really, really bothered me. He said he wanted to "keep taxes low."
Don' t the freaking taxes have to be low in the first place, before we can keep them low? Can he possibly believe that taxes are low enough now?
This really sounds lukewarm and unenthusiastic to me. It also sounds like weasel words. Whaddya think?
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« Reply #1 on Feb 4, 2008, 8:39pm » | |
low is a relative term to these washington assclowns.
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« Reply #2 on Feb 4, 2008, 9:11pm » | |
Do assclowns like mccain, romney, and clinton believe that if they actually propose any real change that people will tell lies about them? So they compensate by telling lies about themselves, but ones they can easily weasle out of?
Say "easily weasle" ten times real fast! 
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« Reply #3 on Feb 4, 2008, 9:13pm » | |
I have asked this before. When Bush passed his tax cuts, why were they temporary. Why aren't tax cuts the new "level" so that congress and the pres HAVE to pass TAX INCREASES?
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« Reply #4 on Feb 5, 2008, 2:00am » | |
Oh lord, it must be embarrassing to be a Republican nowadays. The two GOP frontrunners (Romney and McCain) and ex-frontrunners (Huckabee and Giuliani) are all closet liberals in some regard. And the true blue savior to the party (Paul) gets cast aside like an afterthought. When republicans don't act like republicans, who wins? Democrats....
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« Reply #5 on Feb 5, 2008, 5:31am » | |
These idiots think lowering taxes is somehow making the government smaller. We shouldn't be lowering taxes until we have brought the runaway train of spending to a halt. What good does it do to lower taxes and continue borrowing from the Chicoms. Is there a limit to what we will spend on the military? Can we stop all the welfare to farmers and oil companies? Can we stop the welfare to the people who refuse to get a job? Can we cut up the credit cards and give the American people an incentive to save? 3 trillion from the borrow and spend republicans.
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« Reply #6 on Feb 5, 2008, 7:18am » | |
Quote:These idiots think lowering taxes is somehow making the government smaller. We shouldn't be lowering taxes until we have brought the runaway train of spending to a halt. What good does it do to lower taxes and continue borrowing from the Chicoms. Is there a limit to what we will spend on the military? Can we stop all the welfare to farmers and oil companies? Can we stop the welfare to the people who refuse to get a job? Can we cut up the credit cards and give the American people an incentive to save? 3 trillion from the borrow and spend republicans.
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I agree with everything you said except the military. We are in the middle of a war, cutting back is not what you do at that time. My 19 year old daughter, who has never had a job, got a credit card last year. You would think that would be a question on the application, huh? However, saving is not what the government wants.
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« Reply #7 on Feb 5, 2008, 9:51am » | |
Quote:These idiots think lowering taxes is somehow making the government smaller. We shouldn't be lowering taxes until we have brought the runaway train of spending to a halt. What good does it do to lower taxes and continue borrowing from the Chicoms. Is there a limit to what we will spend on the military? Can we stop all the welfare to farmers and oil companies? Can we stop the welfare to the people who refuse to get a job? Can we cut up the credit cards and give the American people an incentive to save? 3 trillion from the borrow and spend republicans.
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I think that's bassackwards. Keep the taxes low first as that keeps the economy growing. There's no incentive to stop spending more if the budget is balanced.
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« Reply #8 on Feb 5, 2008, 10:01am » | |
BTW, there's another aspect to this whole taxes thing. Congress could make the current income tax levels permanent & a lot of folks wouldn't be helped without also changing the AMT permanently. That parallel tax system will overtake the income tax system in revenue in not too many years.
Other than the AMT rate being too high by several percent, I love it. It stops subsidizing the high state tax states & high housing cost, & thus high mortgages, states (generally the same.).
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« Reply #9 on Feb 5, 2008, 10:05am » | |
Quote:| Oh lord, it must be embarrassing to be a Republican nowadays. The two GOP frontrunners (Romney and McCain) and ex-frontrunners (Huckabee and Giuliani) are all closet liberals in some regard. And the true blue savior to the party (Paul) gets cast aside like an afterthought. When republicans don't act like republicans, who wins? Democrats.... |
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Depressing more aptly describes it sss, lol.
Regardless, I'll take any of the republicans over the two wanna be socialists the dems are peddling any day of the week, and twice on Sunday!
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« Reply #10 on Feb 5, 2008, 10:27am » | |
Cut taxes, cut spending, cut government waste, cut government.
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« Reply #11 on Feb 5, 2008, 10:32am » | |
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I thought you were at the dock when that ship sailed, welder. Ask yourself, who created a new medicare program, massive new federal controls of the schools, two (or would it be 3) wars, more invasive justice and security agencies, . . .
This thread is about the subtle and not so subtle ways that we are being lied to. But if you want to see socialism, look all around you.
The msm has taken our attention almost completely away from the only non-socialist in the race -- ron paul.
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« Reply #12 on Feb 5, 2008, 10:45am » | |
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I thought you were at the dock when that ship sailed, welder. Ask yourself, who created a new medicare program, massive new federal controls of the schools, two (or would it be 3) wars, more invasive justice and security agencies, . . .
This thread is about the subtle and not so subtle ways that we are being lied to. But if you want to see socialism, look all around you.
The msm has taken our attention almost completely away from the only non-socialist in the race -- ron paul. |
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Sadly that is true. If only Thomas Jefferson were Hindu because we sure need him today. Also may need George Washington.
BTW VHCAT, the AMT serves a good purpose but if you are hanging around the lower rung of the AMT cap, you're screwed.
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« Reply #13 on Feb 5, 2008, 11:08am » | |
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Quote:These idiots think lowering taxes is somehow making the government smaller. We shouldn't be lowering taxes until we have brought the runaway train of spending to a halt. What good does it do to lower taxes and continue borrowing from the Chicoms. Is there a limit to what we will spend on the military? Can we stop all the welfare to farmers and oil companies? Can we stop the welfare to the people who refuse to get a job? Can we cut up the credit cards and give the American people an incentive to save? 3 trillion from the borrow and spend republicans.
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We're in a war with a stone age military, yet somehow that means we need more aircraft carriers, and b2 bombers.
I agree with everything you said except the military. We are in the middle of a war, cutting back is not what you do at that time. My 19 year old daughter, who has never had a job, got a credit card last year. You would think that would be a question on the application, huh? However, saving is not what the government wants. |
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« Reply #14 on Feb 5, 2008, 11:16am » | |
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I thought you were at the dock when that ship sailed, welder. Ask yourself, who created a new medicare program, massive new federal controls of the schools, two (or would it be 3) wars, more invasive justice and security agencies, . . .
This thread is about the subtle and not so subtle ways that we are being lied to. But if you want to see socialism, look all around you.
The msm has taken our attention almost completely away from the only non-socialist in the race -- ron paul. |
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Which is why I complained so loudly when Paul wasn't given even a small percentage of the time allocated to MR & JM in the last debate.
Btw, point taken on Bush.
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« Reply #15 on Feb 5, 2008, 11:57am » | |
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I agree with everything you said except the military. We are in the middle of a war, cutting back is not what you do at that time. My 19 year old daughter, who has never had a job, got a credit card last year. You would think that would be a question on the application, huh? However, saving is not what the government wants. |
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You obviously think that our planes have a 50 year life expectancy? You have to upgrade at some point, right?
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« Reply #16 on Feb 5, 2008, 3:12pm » | |
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Actually, the B-52 and the C-130 will last longer than 50 years, however, fighter aircraft does need to be updated to maintain air superiority. I don't have a problem keeping the military up to date, but just what enemy are we preparing for again?
I object to bankrupting America for an enemy that is not on the horizon.
Our military is for the defense of America and expeditionary forces should not be financed.
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« Reply #17 on Feb 5, 2008, 3:29pm » | |
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Actually, the B-52 and the C-130 will last longer than 50 years, however, fighter aircraft does need to be updated to maintain air superiority. I don't have a problem keeping the military up to date, but just what enemy are we preparing for again?
I object to bankrupting America for an enemy that is not on the horizon.
Our military is for the defense of America and expeditionary forces should not be financed. |
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I think being prepared for any and all enemies, now and in the future, is a very smart thing. Always better to be prepared than not is what I say.
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« Reply #18 on Feb 5, 2008, 3:34pm » | |
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Actually, the B-52 and the C-130 will last longer than 50 years, however, fighter aircraft does need to be updated to maintain air superiority. I don't have a problem keeping the military up to date, but just what enemy are we preparing for again?
I object to bankrupting America for an enemy that is not on the horizon.
Our military is for the defense of America and expeditionary forces should not be financed. |
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I have no doubt that the B-52 and C-130 can last 50 years physically, but can they last that long technologically?
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« Reply #19 on Feb 5, 2008, 3:48pm » | |
gr8, your readiness argument assumes mission critical status for everything the pentagon does, right? Who is determining that? Congress? Right.
Have you done any reading on some of the "scientific" research that is being funded by DARPA? Do you know how much was spent on jay garner's iraq assignment, on jerry bremer's iraq assignment, etc.?
I'm all with you on the best equipment, best training, but I fall away on the cost of the empire-building, turf wars, interservice duplication, bureaucratic innefficiency, contactor overcharges, etc.
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« Reply #20 on Feb 5, 2008, 3:50pm » | |
Getting back to the op, how much do you think each candidate will reduce taxes and government expense?
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« Reply #21 on Feb 5, 2008, 3:53pm » | |
Quote:gr8, your readiness argument assumes mission critical status for everything the pentagon does, right? Who is determining that? Congress? Right.
Have you done any reading on some of the "scientific" research that is being funded by DARPA? Do you know how much was spent on jay garner's iraq assignment, on jerry bremer's iraq assignment, etc.?
I'm all with you on the best equipment, best training, but I fall away on the cost of the empire-building, turf wars, interservice duplication, bureaucratic inefficiency, contractor overcharges, etc. |
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I agree with you, that needs to be changed but will it be? doubtful
The Joint Chiefs do a good job of telling the government what they feel they will need going forward for the foreseeable future.
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« Reply #22 on Feb 5, 2008, 3:58pm » | |
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Quote:gr8, your readiness argument assumes mission critical status for everything the pentagon does, right? Who is determining that? Congress? Right.
Have you done any reading on some of the "scientific" research that is being funded by DARPA? Do you know how much was spent on jay garner's iraq assignment, on jerry bremer's iraq assignment, etc.?
I'm all with you on the best equipment, best training, but I fall away on the cost of the empire-building, turf wars, interservice duplication, bureaucratic inefficiency, contractor overcharges, etc. |
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I agree with you, that needs to be changed but will it be? doubtful
The Joint Chiefs do a good job of telling the government what they feel they will need going forward for the foreseeable future. |
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"that needs to be changed but will it be? doubtful"
I agree, until we establish the death penalty for theft through congressional manipulation. 
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« Reply #23 on Feb 5, 2008, 4:11pm » | |
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"that needs to be changed but will it be? doubtful"
I agree, until we establish the death penalty for theft through congressional manipulation. |
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Most of them are on their last leg, it's like euthanasia for them
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« Reply #24 on Feb 5, 2008, 5:28pm » | |
The only times the top income tax bracket has been lower: Before 1917 (Income tax was created in 1913), 1925-1932, 1988-1992.
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« Reply #25 on Feb 6, 2008, 4:16pm » | |
Oh yeah, "keep taxes low" for the upper brackets. Gotcha.
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« Reply #26 on Feb 6, 2008, 4:24pm » | |
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Keep taxes low on all americans is the best way
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Keep taxes low on all americans is the best way |
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I absolutely agree, gr8, but imho, it will take a thoroughgoing operation deadwood in all compartments of federal government. The deciders should be our congressional reps, with a warning "you, senator or congressperson, have 1 chance to do this right; your performance will be reviewed at the latter part of your current term."
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« Reply #28 on Feb 6, 2008, 5:58pm » | |
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When Republicans say "lower taxes" they mean a flatter tax code with merely cosmetic cuts to average Americans' taxes.
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« Reply #29 on Feb 7, 2008, 8:47am » | |
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When Republicans say "lower taxes" they mean a flatter tax code with merely cosmetic cuts to average Americans' taxes. |
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That's brilliant, since it was Joe Biden who first promoted a flat tax.
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